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The Terror Season

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29 comments on “The Terror Season

  1. jesus you guys should get paintballs on 12th of july and fire at each other it might exhaust yourselves its really boring watching everyone fight each other over centuries old conflicts makes you wonder if i had my way they would all be shipped back to scotland………………….even the ‘nice’ ones

    • “You guys”, I take it, is us Irish in the north eastern part? Perhaps you are Irish also, Mark. You do get what I saying here?
      Sorry we are boring you.
      “Centuries old conflicts”? Standing up to intolerance, bigotry and supremacism is indeed centuries old – the world over but lauded by all but the insane.
      I wouldn’t be as extreme as you to ship anyone to Scotland. We’re all Irish after all.

      • A point I always make is why should we expect our fellow Irish citizens in the north-east of the country to accept what we would not? We are all Irish people living in Ireland. I would not accept British terror bands marching in my community. Why should I expect other Irish communities to behave differently?

        When the Orange Order rejects its more sectarian and racist tenets, and those who advocate them, then they will be welcome in any part of Ireland. Their culture belongs to all the people of Ireland should they wish it.

        • I don’t know why the descendants of planters need to reside on my island after all I’m sure scotland has plenty of space to accomodate them and we dont owe anything to the world we didn’t go around building an empire

          • Mark ,that sort of talk is what they shout about. Their traditional routes,Queens highway.They live in the dark ages.I know where your coming from. A Bheannachti Dhia dhuit a Chara

    • Mark, I agree and disagree. Could you see bands related to the British terror factions in Ireland marching with the Orange Order down the streets of Dublin, Cork or Limerick? Yet it is expected of Irish citizens in the north-east of our country to endure what we would not elsewhere in our nation. The Irish communities in the north do not object to Orange parades as a whole (and we are talking about hundreds of parades each year) – they object to a handful that are purposely designed to intimidate and terrorise their local neighbourhoods.

  2. Pádraig Ó Déin

    To be honest, those Unionists marching in the parade at the start of the video had the appearance of….well to be quite frank……brutes. As did the Nationalist youths who started banging against the police jeep (though they were justified, they took it to far). Not the elderly participants though. They did the right thing and blocked the jeep without conflict.

    I wonder most of the time if any of the younger generations on both sides, especially the nationalists, know what they’re fighting over. To me it seems they both come from poor socio-economic backgrounds, which breed crime due to variety of reasons, and jump at any chance to start a conflict.

    • @Pádraig Ó Déin: Your comment “it seems they both come from poor socio-economic backgrounds” is true to a good degree. Your other on ” what they’re fighting over ” is that Nationalists /Republicans understand the reasons and what these Band represent. The opposite applies to the Bands and their supporters.
      How do you think a KKK ,white supremacist or Neo Nazi band parade ,glorifying their past victories of ,genocide ,discrimination against Jewish,Hispanic, Afro Americans areas would be met..??

      • Pádraig Ó Déin

        Well said. I share the view presented in your last sentence. Usually when I talk to people about the Unionists, and compare them with the KKK/ Neo-Nazis, they think I go to far. I wonder why the people of Ireland don’t see Unionists as out right fascists.

        • I would very much see British Unionism in Ireland, in the early 1900s and 1920s, as an early proto-fascist ideology closely comparable with political developments in Italy, Germany and Spain during the 1920s and ’30s. They were all part of the same cultural milieu. Carson and Craig were part of the same political culture as Mussolini and Franco and other European fascistic leaders.

          That is something very few wish to face up to. For obvious reasons.

        • From my understanding there’s many who bury their heads or come out with non-relevant comments like ones as bad as t other crap. The history and present statistics prove that Loyalists/Orange-ism are totally sectarian hateful bigots living in a non realistic World.
          Gerry Kelly did stop the situation getting worse and ironically did the opposite in 2004 with the same safe result. There`s Political games been played and no-one really knows all that went before signing the GFA..Situations it seems Sinn Fein are powerless over doesnt add up. Are they been held over a barrell

    • I tend to agree, though in fairness to Gerry Kelly he did stop the violence before it could kick off (as it so easily does). But the words of the older contributors were very true. That is how it is.

      • Yes Seamus Gerry Kelly did stop it escalating and risked his own safety.Like in 2004 he saved a number of people possibly getting shot. He is a person of good character and welfare of his community. .

  3. And I thought the era of crude stereotyping was over, but no, all Unionists are apparently fascists. I think the reason most people in Ireland don’t see Unionists as fascists, is because the vast majority of Unionists aren’t fascists. Political parties, like the P.U.P. , which flirt with the far right, garner very few votes. Most of the Unionist population don’t belong to the Orange Order, that organisation’s membership, based on its own figures, is currently around 34,000, a small percentage of the total Unionist community ; I also understand that the Orange Order has Black and, in Canada, Native American members.
    I, despite my Unionist background, have not watched an Orange parade for around 8 years and never attend band parades : when I did last watch a parade it was very noticeable that the middle class (apart from farmers and politicians), both as spectators and members, has largely gone. It is now a small organisation, with no political or patronage power and a predominantly working class membership.
    And as for “the Terror Season,” most parades will pass off without incident ; there will be the usual ritualised confrontations and recreational rioting in a few places (mostly in Belfast), where, on the basis of past arrests, some people will have travelled from other parts of the city, or from towns 20 or 30 miles away, either to support the marchers, or to be “offended.”

    • Thanks for the Comment, Ginger, but I should note that what I wrote was that in my view I see “…British Unionism in Ireland, in the early 1900s and 1920s, as an early proto-fascist ideology closely comparable with political developments in Italy, Germany and Spain during the 1920s and ’30s“.

      I was referring specifically to that early period of the 20th century and to the political philosophy of Unionism as it then manifested itself. I do not regard the contemporary pro-Union community as a whole, regardless of its Irish, British or other origins, as fascistic in any way shape or form. My reservations are with the political ideology of Unionism not ordinary pro-Union people or those of a British-Irish/Scots-Irish identity. Apologies for any confusion.

      I agree that the vast majority of Orange parades pass off without incident or protest. Something I also stated in the Comments. That said, from personal experiences I believe the “recreational rioting” bit is greatly over done by the media and certain politicians as a way of ignoring/hiding the real political causes behind them.

  4. Pádraig Ó Déin

    You say, Mr.Ginger, ” I also understand that the Orange Order has Black and, in Canada, Native American members.”. To me (and no doubt to a bunch of other people) that is total fabrication. Why would a native American or Black support a sectarian, triumphalist and supremacist organisation whose members are the European equivalent of the people who built the United States on the genocide of the Native American people and the enslavement of Black Africans? Equivalents being white protestant landowners supported by the crown.

    Furthermore I didn’t say Unionists were fascists. I said why don’t the people of Ireland see Unionists as fascists, for their supremacist and triumphalist attitude certainly implies as much to any intelligent man or woman. Especially with recent revelations about (some) Unionists flirting with German “white supremacists”.

  5. Padraig says he didn’t assert that Unionists were fascists, but then asks “why don’t the people of Ireland see Unionists as fascists” : can’t see much difference in the two statements. There is, firstly, the inherent assumption that Unionists aren’t part of the “people of Ireland,” a bit like assuming that Scottish Unionists can’t be Scottish, or part of the people of Scotland, a somewhat exclusive view of what it is to be Irish, but clearly one shared by others contributors to this blog.
    Very few unionists I know have “supremacist or triumphalist” tendencies, most Unionists who do vote, vote for parties who are committed to power sharing with Nationalists and Republicans. I would also doubt whether many members of the rapidly-diminishing ranks of the Orange Order have these aspirations and even if they did, they have no power to carry out such a policy.
    I must admit I haven’t heard about some people flirting with German white supremacists, but I presume they are associated with the wilder fringes of the P.U.P., or some other fringe group. But, as I said before, virtually nobody votes for these groups, they couldn’t muster a single seat at the last local government, or Assembly elections ,even under a P.R. system, so they are totally irrelevant and completely unrepresentative of the Unionist population.
    I would also mention the flirtation of elements of Irish Nationalism with fascism : General O’Duffy and the Blueshirts, the support for Franco by elements of Nationalism, the willingness of the I.R.A. to seek support from the Nazis.
    Canada received large numbers of Northern Irish migrants, who took the Orange Order with them and there were eventually native, or “First Nation” members of Orange Lodges. As in Ireland, the Orange Order there is greatly diminished in numbers and its former strong influence in states like Ontario and Manitoba has gone. Of course, earlier Ulster immigrants to Colonial America were renowned Indian fighters, but they also inter-married with native people : it was a man of Irish Catholic descent, General Phil Sheridan, who is usually credited with originating the assertion that “the only good Indian is a dead one,” a somewhat supremacist, triumphalist and racist statement.

    • the whole ira-nazis thing had no emotional investment it was just strategic interest and guns not ideology

    • Ginger your knowledge of Irish history concerning E O Duffy ,the Spanish civil war and General Phil Sheridan etc is practically correct .E O Duffy was a rank Free Stater as many others were because of Ireland`s Civil War.; His group were anti Republican and accepted partition as it was. His allegiance to Franco were not Fascist but anti communist. Regularly any who oppose the left wing are accused of Fascism. The Catholic Church as all Christian Churches opposed Communism. Many of our families who had people who fought in Ireland`s war of Independence took, the Free State anti Republican side. Some Free Stater`s fought with Spain`s International Communist Brigade Brigade.Some Republicans fought with Franco. This is another complexity of our history. The majority of those executed in 1916 were right wing but not Fascists. There were a small fascist pro Nazi element within both Develara and Free State supporters. This was to do more with ignorance of Nazi ideology. Even some British Royals were similar .
      However when Edward Carson declared “A PROTESTANT STATE FOR A PROTESTANT PEOPLE” and the then Unionist administration inc the loyal order`s were exactly Fascists. “WE ARE THE PEOPLE” was more conformation. The Loyalist bands and Orange-men belief they can walk wherever on the “Queens highway” is still reasserting their Fascist mentality. Its these mindsets that need to change within the Unionist /Loyalist /Protestant community that will dissolve their Fascist mentality. I believe most Protestant Unionists are embarrassed by this Fascist image but haven’t the courage to oppose “We are the people mindsets”. They also must accept they should not go where they are not wanted. Their excuse of traditional routes are used as an excuse .Traditions are man made and can be undone.
      PS On a lighter note General Philip Sheridan was Irish from Co Cavan.

    • Hi Ginger, just to make my own views clear, I do not dispute the Irishness of the Unionist minority community in the north-east of the country, both in terms of geography (born and living on the island-nation of Ireland), in terms of their ancestry (descended from indigenous or pre-Plantation inhabitants of Ireland as well as colonial settlers from the island of Britain and elsewhere) or their nationality (citizens of the nation of Ireland). I also recognise the unique British/Scots identity felt by many in the Unionist community and have no wish to diminish that or take it away. Even in a reunited Ireland that identity should be given recognition and protection no matter how painful some compromises may be in that area.

      Of course there are some Unionists who are “culturally Irish”, who have no real sense of Britishness, but who are pro-Union for various reasons as well as those who genuinely believe one can be Irish and British and so are Unionist in that sense.

      I believe most people who read or contribute to An Sionnach Fionn would hold similar views to those expressed above (or most likely they wouldn’t be reading it given people’s tendency to self-select their own internet reading).

  6. Ive heard some rumours about michael quinn, justin barrett and gerry mcgeough cavorting with pro-catholic elements in the british far right and establishing a junta in reparatitioned ireland with a military junta headquartered in Athlone. would you do a separate story about this in the future or at least research it?

    • Gerry McGeough may be socially conservative, to say the least, but he is still a Republican/Nationalist. His personal history proves that he has invariably placed nation before faith. Claims like that are just pure internet fantasy. You may safely dismiss them.

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