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73% Favour Referendum On The 8th Amendment

The Irish branch of Amnesty International has published the details of a poll it commissioned from Red:C Research & Marketing which seems to show majority support for a more comprehensive introduction of the medical procedure of abortion to Ireland. The survey interviewed 1,004 adults by phone between the 1st and 3rd of February 2016 with another 1,002 surveyed in the same manner between the 18th and 22nd of February. The main findings from the Amnesty PR summary, which some of you have no doubt seen summarised in the press today, are outlined below:

“Irish people believe that reforming Ireland’s abortion law, which is one of the most restrictive in the world, should be one of the priority issues for the next government.

•     55% agree that expanding access to abortion should be one of the priority issues for the next government, with only 25% disagreeing. When the ‘don’t knows’ and those who are neutral are excluded, this figure rises to 69%. This view is spread relatively evenly across the regions with 61% support in Dublin, 51% in the rest of Leinster, 55% in Connaught/Ulster and 54% in Munster.

•      About two-thirds of people agree that Irish politicians should show leadership and deal proactively with the issue of widening access to abortion.

•     73% of people think the government should hold a referendum to allow the people to vote on whether or not to remove the 8th amendment. Interestingly, this view is widely shared across all regions from 65% in Connaught/Ulster to 75% in Dublin.

•     87% of respondents are in favour of expanding access to abortion in Ireland, at least in the minimum circumstances required under international human rights law. This breaks down as follows:

–      42% are in favour of allowing abortion in Ireland only where the woman’s life is at risk, where there is diagnosis of a fatal foetal abnormality, where the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest, or where the woman’s health is at risk. A further 38% are in favour of allowing women to access abortion as they choose.

–      7% are in favour of allowing abortion in Ireland only where the woman’s life is at risk or where there is a fatal foetal abnormality.

–      7% are in favour of the current legal position, where abortion is allowed only when the woman’s life is at risk.

–      Only 5% of people are opposed to abortion in all circumstances.

•       There has been an increase in support from the last poll Amnesty International/Red C poll published in July 2015 where 81% of respondents are in favour of expanding access to abortion in certain circumstances.  The number of people opposed to abortion in all circumstances has also decreased from 7% in the May 2015 poll to 5% in the February 2016 poll.

•     Of the 5%, opposed to abortion in all circumstances, 77% are not aware of the possible 14 year criminal penalty for women who have abortions.

While opinions vary on the issue of when abortion should be allowed, there is overwhelming support for the expansion of access to abortion beyond the current legislation and the majority think that it should be a priority for the incoming government.

80% believe that women’s health must be the priority in any reform of Ireland’s abortion law.

•       When the ‘don’t knows’ and those who are neutral are excluded, this figure rises to 90%  agreeing that women’s health must be the priority in any reform with just 10% disagreeing.

•      This figure was highest among farmers (90%) and in Connaught/Ulster where 85% of respondents agreed with this statement. All regions of the country broadly supported this view

The Irish public have strong views on Ireland’s current abortion law. The majority consider it to be hypocritical, cruel and inhumane. They believe that it unfairly discriminates against women and girls who cannot afford to or are unable to travel abroad for an abortion. Broadly speaking, these views are shared to the same extent by both male and female respondents.

•     55% believe that Ireland’s abortion ban is cruel and inhumane, with only 26% disagreeing. (When the ‘don’t knows’ and those who are neutral are excluded, this figure rises to 68% agreeing that the current law is cruel and inhumane.)

•       65% agree that classifying abortion as a crime adds to the distress of the woman involved. Interestingly, more men (68%) than women (62%) believe that classifying abortion as a crime adds to the distress of the woman involved. This view is shared least by farmers (55%) and CDE2s (62%).

•      Almost three quarters (72%) agree that the fact that women must travel abroad to access abortion unfairly discriminates against women who are unable to or cannot afford to travel.  This view is highest among farmers of whom 84% describe the current law as discriminatory. The Irish people therefore recognise the unfair burden which the current law places on marginalised women and girls, including migrant women, girls who are in the care of the state and poorer women.

•      Two-thirds believe that it is hypocritical that Ireland’s constitution bans abortion in Ireland but allows women to travel abroad for abortions.

•      65% believe that travelling abroad for an abortion is traumatic. This figure is highest among women and those aged 25-34 (73%) and 35-44 (70%).

Public knowledge, awareness and trust:

Respondents were asked whom they trust when deciding their position on abortion. The most trusted sources of information are medical professionals (69%) and women who have had abortions (62%). The Irish public do not trust anti-abortion groups (16%), church leaders (16%), media outlets (14%) and politicians (7%) as a source of information on this issue.

•     52% of respondents agree that they do not know enough about the 8th amendment to know how they would vote and think the media should give better information on it. This view is particularly noteworthy outside of Dublin (47%), in Leinster (57%), Connaught/Ulster (54%) and Munster (51%).

•       Only 38% of those who are opposed to abortion in any circumstances trust anti-abortion groups as a reliable source of information on this issue.

•     Of those describing themselves as religious, just 19% trust church leaders to inform them accurately on this issue.

•       There is also substantial agreement (68%) that we need to trust women when they say they need an abortion. This view is shared across the regions with a low of 64% in Connaught/Ulster and a high of 70% in Dublin. Both women(69%) and men (67%) agree with this view.

•      60% agree that men have a responsibility to be a part of the discussion on this issue too, with more than two-thirds of men (65%) agreeing with this view. This opinion was highest among farmers (65%) and is regionally balanced with the lowest figure in Munster (58%) and the highest figure in Leinster (63%).

•     Only 14% were aware that having an abortion when the woman’s life is not in danger is a criminal offence which carries a potential 14 year prison sentence. Interestingly, of those opposed to abortion in all circumstances, 72% are not aware that a 14 year criminal penalty exists. 75% of farmers are not aware that having an abortion when the woman’s life is not in danger is a criminal offence. In fact, more than half of respondents believe it is not a criminal offence at all.

•     80% of people are aware that women have a right to access abortion in Ireland in certain circumstances under international human rights law. This has increased from 70% in the Amnesty International/Red C Poll published in July 2015. This awareness is highest in Munster (84%). More men (82%) than women (78%) are aware that access to abortion is a human right under certain circumstances.

Interestingly, the poll finds that religion does not appear to strongly determine views on abortion.

•       82% of people who describe themselves as religious do not believe that their views should not be imposed on others. This view is most strongly held by those aged 55-64 of whom 88% agree. Interestingly, the figure is lowest in Dublin where 80% agree. In Connaught/Ulster, 84% of religious people agree with this statement, with (81%) in Leinster and (83%) in Munster.

•       56% of religious people think that looking at abortion from a human rights viewpoint is useful because it balances one’s right to freedom of religion with the rights of women who decide to have abortions. Younger religious people aged 25-34 hold this view most strongly (63%).

•       Just one in five religious people say that they have very conflicted views on abortion because of their religion, with 70% disagreeing with this statement. Of those who agree, the highest percentage is in Dublin (23%) and lowest in Connaught/Ulster with just 12% of religious people feeling conflicted in their views. 13% of those who are opposed to abortion in any circumstances describe themselves as having conflicted views.

•       Interestingly, 28% of religious people who support abortion in some circumstances hide their view because of their perception of how people who share their religion would feel about them.”

Forgive the length of the above but I believe on a matter as significant, and as tendentious, as this it is important to have the full facts. Personally I believe that we long ago passed the moment when it was appropriate to put the issue of abortion before the Irish people through a constitutional referendum repealing the 8th Amendment of Bunreacht na hÉireann. What we have now is a majority political class simply delaying the inevitable – and the necessary – for no good cause at all.

30 comments on “73% Favour Referendum On The 8th Amendment

  1. I am sorry but amnesty international lost any credibility a long time ago. I take anything they say with handfuls of salt.
    At the end of the day if we wanna see where this abortion thingy is going to end up then just look at the US and Britain, after all, Ireland falls in behind what these two states propose. I have yet to meet anyone who wants an abortion free for all which will happen if the law is changed. Be careful what you wish for.


    • What do you mean by “an abortion free for all”?

      In my country where abortions are legal they can’t be done after 22nd week in cases of rape or medical complications or after 12th week in other cases. It’s not like the doctors will just do whatever the patient wants no questions asked.


      • Your country sounds great John, please keep on telling us more about it, everyday, we just don’t hear enough.


      • You should’ve worked out by now when it comes to medicine/healthcare, if there is money to be made then no matter the good intentions of a law, it will soon become corrupt. And like any law there is always loopholes that can be exploited. Just like any other treatment that is available in the health service it will soon become privatised purely for financial gain. And if I am tasked to earn a living performing abortions then I want lots of them.
        On the plus side doctors can determine the colour of a child’s eyes,hair etc so when they run out of less abled kids to cull they can pick up the slack by culling gingers etc. Hitler and his fans could get their superior race yet. I guess that’s why Janice is up for it, after all her country had a soft spot for the reich?
        Be careful what you wish for.


        • You’re talking nonsense again.
          What’s the difference between an early term abortion and using a condom – or should they be illegal too?
          Abortions are performed by gynaecologists who do other things too and they cost about 100 eur – a big financial gain indeed.
          They also have to do all kinds of tests, explain the potential health risks and there’s a mandatory delay between the GP visit and abortion itself during which the woman could change her mind – you can’t just turn up and have it done no questions asked.

          And even if what you say is true – nothing keeps Irish women from travelling to the UK or elsewhere and performing an abortion there.
          (or they might risk their health and life and try to do an illegal abortion – it can be avoided if legal options are available)


          • My my Janice you really do demonstrate a superiority on all topics. Btw I don’t need religion or any other institution to determine my thoughts on morality.
            If those people masquerading as liberals really were serious about the welfare of the woman they’d be lobbying for true equality of the woman full stop eg wages. They’d also be demanding rapists should be getting serious jail sentences rather than the piss poor sentences they normally get. How’s about a mandatory 25 years for a rapist? Although it may not deter all rape it would surely deter some? Alas it isn’t about the woman’s well being at all;it’s something more sinister that much is obvious. Prevention is better than cure but some seem to have forgot that.


          • Jaanis, I fear you jest. Still, I remember going through customs on my first trip to Ireland, and there was a prominant sign listing all the things that were forbidden to be imported. The top three (can’t remember their order) were : Firearms & Explosives; Illegal Drugs; Contraceptives.

            Wasn’t there a Python sketch/song along the lines of “Every Sperm is a Wanted Sperm” ?


  2. First let me say I’d be in favour, were I Irish.

    However, seeing all those figures, I couldn’t help wondering what % of the population wouldn’t be here, wouldn’t exist, if abortion had been allowed back in the day? Should these folk get to vote? Or maybe only they are truly qualified to vote? You might say the whole issue is a bit of a bastard really.


    • It’s a difficult subject which otherwise divides people of common purpose but I err on the side of choice. Abortions, however tragic, are taking place. Irish women are availing of them, at great personal, medical and financial risk. The bottom line for me are those realities. We must address our own issues at home and in a safe, affordable, non-penalising environment for all involved.


  3. ar an sliabh

    As one of those most likely to have been aborted, I respectfully advise great care with any change of existing policy. Even though at time less than perfect at times, I love my life. You are killing real people here…


    • I wouldn’t be here had my dad decided to have a wank on that day instead. Should we ban that too?


      • ar an sliabh

        The fact is you are here and I am here, the fact is that it is a life that was created because someone did not decide to wank and that life is taken every time. All I advocate for is to apply wisdom, thought, and due consideration, and not to take a life unless absolutely necessary. When you are a little older and not ready to callously dispense with other people’s existences at the drop of the slightest inconvenience, when you realize how precious life is as you see your own slip away, you will be less apt to waste yours or anyone else’s. I do understand your position, as I was young once as well. I have not forgotten how one thinks when they are young.


        • I’m here because of a random chance. Human bodies waste a huge number of gametes all the time and every single of them has a potential to develop into a human. Abortion is murder the same way as any period is a murder.


          • ar an sliabh

            There is big difference between killing and murder. It is that difference I am attempting to highlight. In any case, an embryo or fetus is a little more than some gametes or perhaps even a nonviable fertilized egg, it is a living organism. Random chance does not necessarily make killing right. Just because people die unnecessarily every day (are wasted) very randomly, for example, does not mean we can just go out and start killing those we believe are a burden or negatively affect our life. Not all people develop into productive members of society or are “viable” in a social sense. Do we just put them in a gas chamber?


          • Well not quite. Every sperm/egg is only half a potential person. A unique individual is only created at fertilisation, and even then the word ‘potential’ is key. The individual may never be born if the mother is malnourished or becomes ill or suffers trauma. And if born may die young for the same reasons. And even then a person can only approach their full potential if they have access to the resources they need. Food, care, love, education, moivation, tools in the broadest sense. The more kids in a family, the less of everything there’ll be to go around. The more people in a given region, country or indeed the whole world, the poorer everyone is, so the less chance of any given individual approaching their full potential.

            The priests would like an Ireland that’s poor and overpopulated. That way they get a large, ignorant, dependant and easily led ‘flock’ to manipulate. Seems like some of the sheep still have the wool pulled over theiir eyes …


          • ar an sliabh

            I think we are at a stage even in our little “backwards peasant” country (as you seem to imply, like most haughty brits), where what the priests think in this regard and what their goals may have been at some time are largely irrelevant. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion and any sordid plan of “making Ireland poor and exploitable for its overpopulation,” and any “flock” not getting it. Was that meant to be humourous? Sorry, but I never really understood British humour. Any and all of us could die tomorrow, or at anytime for that matter. Losing our lives is part of our existence at any stage of our development. That does not necessarily on its own justify killing any of us. Reality, as ASF nicely articulated earlier forces the hand in this endeavour, but we need to see it for what it is, so that social, economic,and medical reforms are instituted to minimise its use and proper birth control measures and other alternatives prevent it to the largest extent possible.


            • Sorry, we’re actually in agreement on the essentials I think.

              Just something someone wrote reminded me that well within my lifetime even contraception, never mind abortion, was actually illegal in Ireland, presumably in line with Catholic doctrine. Not without reason do clerics refer to their congregation as their ‘flock’, for people who follow such groundless superstitions en mass can be little more than human sheep IMHO. I’m sorry to say that the whole Catholic thing, bleeding hearts and plaster saints and all the rest, simply sickens me, and rather turns me off Irish culture.

              How for example do you get modern secular people hooked on Gaeilge when two peole can’t even say “hello” to each other without bringing in God and a whole litany of saints? Ca bhfuil na caoirigh? Ar an tsliabh??


          • ar an sliabh

            Also, nice “Lebensraum” narrative. The progenitors of that idea also believed that there shouldn’t be anyone but them around so that they could reach their full potential, and not have access to their resources restricted.


          • ar an sliabh

            I thought that was a little bit strange considering your past posts, it kind of disappointed me, as usually really like your contributions. I tend to take the whole gael and backwards association as “fightin’ words,” I presume now it was not meant that way, and I apologize for my harsh response (it’s that temper…). I am the furthest from an caoirigh (the sheep) than you can get, and although my belief in an all-encompassing power is very strong (I hardly believe that one may apply human characteristics to it, but I credit this belief and power for my survival during during my most desperate times), I am not a fan of organised religion. My relationship to the church is highly contentious, as I, while a young child was subjected to their whim for a short time before being adopted. Then, while working in non-profit in the States, I saw many of the Church’s benevolent works. What I do know, is that the god and the saints “as gaeilge” are not those “as bearla” in Ireland I think somewhere or another, ASF hit that point as well, and mustered a better explanation for that concept than I could ever try to articulate. In brief, the Anglican Catholicism is far removed from St. Patrick’s “compromise.” As for abortion, I was abandoned to the Church’s care (that was the abortion process then, I guess), but I love my life. Working in the area of non-profit human charities, and more recently in the case a friend’s young daughter (who just had a child after aborting in her teens), I have seen the pain in those having to cope in the aftermath of that decision, so I strongly believe that although the prevailing conditions make an allowance for it necessary, the responsibility to change those conditions to minimise it’s occurrence should not be negated. For that to occur, the full dimension of the tragedy each and every one of these cases represents, must be realised.


    • I’m not sure I agree with the last sentence but I accept your sentiments. Introducing full abortion to Ireland as opposed to the sorta-kinda-abortion-that’s-not-abortion in limited circumstances which we have at the moment should not be a free-for-all. Personally I would not permit a for-profit model.


  4. eileen healy

    Even amongst people with facts I.e. what is actually done proceduraly and the implications from a medical , medical, gynaecological and psychological and legal perspective can be perceived or be in some way show in a sensationalist light by media or campaign groups and I usually switch off and generally don’t like commenting on this in company because one never knows who has been affected by choices surrounding an unwanted pregnancy Mostly from work experience and ( this would not always be a hospital setting) ,al kinds of people have all kind of problems that don’t go away or ameliorate by having any sort of invasive procedure performed and for some getting a wisdom tooth extracted will be a major source of pain and distress for week s. No matter how informed one’s decision is , it is still not lightly taken by most and supporting an unwanted pregnancy i has great possibility of causing unforseen distress damage and pain to the person directly involved ( the pregnant woman) and their immediate family and friends .To be a victim of rape is always apain carried by the victim , to top it of with a pregnancy is horrific and when this happens to someone who is already in a relationship thic too is damaged Having to live with the memory of an abortion is truly a burden for most but to have to cope with with the alternatives is worse for most . Counselling agencies especially pro life organisations always pick that as an this angle when “addressing “the issue which in it self compounds distress and does nothi
    ng go hell someone make an informed and afterwards supported choice. No matter what issues we take decision s on there will certainly be a 20/20 illuminating episode afterwards when we question ourselves and I feel that approach can sometimes be a hindrance to making the best decision possible at the time , early ina crisis pregnancy and in a country which cannot open display information regarding facts including best clinical practice people go headlong into interventions which necessitate a trip to the UK which is physically exhausting and emotionally draining even if one’s not keeping it a secret and even with family support Bottom line this issue needs humane address and whereas personally I probably wouldn’t like the idea of such a procedure my experience dealing with crisis pregnancies ( example d cited by interest groups arr not always what one might imagine) have left me with the certain knowledge that present ly the situation is inhumane.. BTW just been to thr zUK to be assessed for DEEP BRSIN STIMULATION . It wss not a pleasant trip and I still have to arrive at the decision, . Parkinsonism without it (Bad at present) or the Deep BS ! Wouldn’t want to be travelling under the radar or unaccompanied.


    • Thanks for that, Eileen. I agree with a lot of your points. No one “wants” abortion in Ireland. However it is a sad necessity. Pregnancies and children are not for everyone, for all sorts of reasons, not just the sensationalist ones. Having myself seen the matter up close and personal, I cannot but conclude that in most cases having an abortion is the better of the two options for most people who seriously consider the matter. Despite the tabloid claims, the vast majority of people availing of abortions do so with clear thought and consideration. It is not a form of contraceptive or a lifestyle choice. Given the costs, financially, physically and psychologically, how could it be otherwise?


  5. eileen healy

    Apologies 7 for the Eats shoots & Leaves Delivery approach !!!? Had a lot of time recently when I was not on top form and wasn’t in shape to read or write anything other shortt comments that had clear and transitional quality about them HAD A GREAT —SIONNACHFEST (More comments coming soon hopefully while ican still write! Been thinking about a PC light weight and a really good Speech Recognition, features and and would have a really good TTS
    I Believe that Creative activities can contribute towards staving off and or ameliorating the advance of such devastating life conditions as dementia parkinsonism , alzheimers and AN D the very top escapee from Dante’s vivid underground the nastiest neurological time traveller Huntingdon ‘s Chorea There have been many mention s of studies on this issue , but I can’t find anything published and hand in hand with that finding is the ever stretching allusions to the benefit s of a bilingual education and upbringing. These have been referred to in conversations also hosting the expanding benefits of certain non -mainstream sources which instantly evokes a rather cynical reception by Psychology and Intellectual Expansion disciplines The author of the bible on EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE cites its in study where subject were bilinguayl raised and educated with competency in a third language ,can’t find it .,small enough group worked with and contact s were spread over the child hood and early teenager years All of the subject s had a high academic standard and nearly already were a accomplished in the arts s and / or science sports and were very well disposed to those with learning difficulties


    • I know that bilingualism is much debated, viz. the cognitive effects, but I think the weight of evidence is still on the positive. Even putting aside the mental benefits, culturally and socially the bilingual is far more adept and aware than his monolingual peer, if both are otherwise on an equal footing.


      • eileen healy

        Faifplay to your even handedness, diplomatic skills and tolerance I’m referring to your responses to two blogs which wer in both cases the first draught of three ? The pressure required to press send must have occurred as I nodded off and the babbling , unpunctuated spewing of words prompted “eart’s ,shoots and leaves”piece which also jumped the gun and honestly I don’t think that bit about emotional intelligence was in anyway intended fo follow in a thread on a comment on access to abortion and crisis pregnancies There’s probably an action group forming this minute to legislate against women in their 50s on powerful drugs for neurological conditions to have limited access to digital technology with the exception ofGameboy and maybe a calculator or a Tomagotchi .

        My skills at maintaining composure while being regaled with horrific life stories and experience s is second to none, well cultivated while working for tbe drug and alcohol services !When I hear people talking about “pro-life” and “pro-choice” grit my teeth and try to blot out the faces of a particular few drug users who (not by choice but by desperation and someone else s exploitation)ended up pregnant while on a chaotic spiral of severe drug misuse and self harm Protection of the unborn life here is accomplished how?? Most people would regard that as a rhetorical question under the circumstances Incredibly someone tried to influence the woman in a way that still gives me “the shudders” Some “prochoice agencies” are very subtle in their profile presentation and “recruitment” approach.This one was done through some small adds in a church notice boards with the promise of confidentiality and a free ultrasound informing you of lengt of gestation in order to help make an informed decision as soon as possible The woman (with no money) jumped at this opportunity .I visited this place later under the guise of health professional seeking information . Raised a Catholic with religious imagery as the norm in the home and work place( hospitals) it rarely upset or offended me (Through an interest in art and allegorical styles I found it quite fascinating) but on walking in the door of this establishmentand meeting the two members of staff I felt the air being sucked out of my lungs and mentioning a”oh look what time it is “bolted for the door past very alien religious posters of which I’m certain off never saw the light of day anywhere elsd in this country anyway ?.This basement agency was actually fund ed by some fundamental ist group in the USA and is now no longer in operation
        The patient/client missed a visit to the clinic while she( funded bh her boss/ manipulator) was in Uk After months of struggling with addictions,, self -harm and more she started to make improvements steadily,got arrested for prostitution, had a miscarriage in prison and afterwards committed suicide. That was one story and I’m grateful for the forbearance of anyone who reads to the end in the context of choices and options For anyone faced with a crisis pregnancy to have curtailed or limited options presented to them compounds the existing distress and is inhumane
        Criminals who gun citizens down in public and in their homes can get suspended sentences or early release depending on how useful their information was and if it could be traded for anonymity
        Most people want legislation on this yesterday its a pity that a country where ante- natal and peri- natal figures for infant and mothers is one of the lowest in the world would be seen as a dangerous place to be pregnant .


        • ar an sliabh

          I can appreciate your experiences, as I spent many years on the front lines of organisations aiding the destitute on the level of providing food, clothing, blankets, places to stay, spiritual and humanitarian comfort. I did so right after serving the military in wartime, and have seen many things that are quite equitable in both arenas. I pray for you, as I can tell you are going through a “valley of the shadow of death” of your own. Agus, yes, fairplay to ASF for his even-handedness, and there are people that dare call themselves “journalists.”


        • Thanks for those points and the personal account, Eileen. My skills frequently fail me, especially when I get annoyed (there is a filing cabinet where I work with a large dent in it from where I gave it a frustrated boot one day, so I have my failings).


  6. Aside from anything else, is that really something Amnesty should be getting involved in?
    Like it or not it’s something that the political class is dealing with (by leaving it unclear!) and the majority of the electorate seem to have given an ok to that. Ok sometimes Amnesty is there to push against the status quo but this is not an issue that’s being hidden, marginalised, undebated.
    Amnesty pushing at the issue can only alienate a percentage of their supporters I think.
    I’d like to see them focusing on how we treat Travellers and refugees in this country.


    • No disagreeing on that. I’m a critic of Amnesty. The Irish branch essentially cut itself off from the conflict in the north-east for thirty years, shamefully so, leaving it to the London based organisation and its Belfast franchise to carry the burden. Not that they did. More often than not Amnesty International was glaringly silent on Britain’s war in Ireland. I have not forgotten or forgiven.


    Unlike many other women in similar positions, O’Kelly was lucky enough to be informed of her options. She could continue with the pregnancy and give birth to a stillborn baby in a few months, or she could travel to the UK and put an end to both her and her little girl’s suffering. According to O’Kelly, the latter was “the only decision we could really make.”
    So much for “free and independent Ireland that’s not under the evil British occupation”.

    The Evil Brits might go against the sovereign wishes of the free and independent Irish nation and allow such babies to be aborted.


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