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Owen Jones Meets The Faragists At A Brexit Party Rally

To be honest, I don’t have that much to add to all that’s been said in the news media over the last few days about the success of the Brexit Party in the British elections to the European Parliament. While much of the press in Britain has dismissed the forerunner of the BP, the United Kingdom Independence Party, as a plaything of the far-right and deserving of the electoral hammering it took last week, in truth most UKIP voters simply migrated to the new anti-European grouping. And not just because it was seen as a supposedly more moderate version of the Ukippers but rather because it was seen as the natural post-referendum successor to the original group. A sort of UKIP 2.0 with the Brexit-winning political insurgent turned democracy defender, Nigel Farage, once again in charge of the proceedings.

This pre-election visit by the Guardian journalist Owen Jones to a BP rally gives you something of the flavour of those who have flocked to the Faragist banner. And while political gatherings invariably attract all sorts of undesirable and partisan figures, including outright nutters, those who are most passionate about the Brexit Party seem to be a particularly disagreeable lot.

11 comments on “Owen Jones Meets The Faragists At A Brexit Party Rally

  1. Owen needs shooting.

    • Oh please, give over. Nothing or nobody is that bad in a democracy. You can disagree with him, hate his politics, but that’s enough.

      • BUT YES BUT NO! I AM GAY AND MY DAD WAS …

      • Biggest collection of English eccentrics I have seen, all white faces and mostly elderly . By the way UK turn out was 37% and shadow MEP’s have been elected for the other 27 EU members to replace Farage’s Muppet’s it hey actually do leave the EU

    • When the argument is lost, insult becomes the tool of the loser-Socrates 365 BC

  2. gendjinn

    NI Euro turnout was back down to 2004 levels, in 09 LG were held the same day which helped boost turnout. I would expect the referendum turnout to approach double this turnout, limiting the value of extrapolations or predictions based on these results.

    SF lost a large chunk of voters to GP/AP, not making quota on the first count has got to be a bit of a shock for SF.

    14% of Dodds surplus transferred to Long over Allister, which gives us a gauge of how irreconcilable to a UI the DUP are. I think if you would transfer to APNI over TUV then you are likely to reconcile with a UI and get on with it, rather than retreat into Unionist bubbles and continue to sing GSTQ (TCD.ie)

    SDLP transfers went 2:1 to APNI:SF with 14% declining to transfer to either. Would have been nice to see how Long’s surplus would have broken down. If only to see how many refused to transfer any further, I suspect it would have been shockingly high.

    Unionism down to 1 MEP for the first time ever and A Vote for Alliance is a Vote for Sinn Féin still ringing on the doorsteps, Unionism can’t be feeling very comfortable. And heading into the marching season, might be best to pray for a wet one to dampen the spirits of the hotheads.

    • Good analysis. Though the Alliance vote still carries that “pro-union” health warning with it. While Anna Lo may be pro-unity, Long and company very much sit in the dominant soft unionist middle of the Alliance Party. As a transition to a majority nationalist vote in the north the AP doing well is a good thing. And a “cross community” transition was inevitable. But we gotta see a majority northern nationalist vote in the queue behind an AP/Greens success. Otherwise it’s reformism within partition which would be fatal for the medium term cause of Irish reunification and freedom.

      • gendjinn

        The transfers of LG show that generally GP voters are more Nationalist than APNI and APNI transfers about 25% to U 50% to N and 25% not transferring on to either grouping.

        APNI staff & reps vs their voter base, there’s been a rapid transformation the past few years. Unionists have abandoned APNI to return to DUP/UUP cuz themm’uns threatened to top the poll. I’ve been groveling over the NI census & election results since 2002 and we are today we are firmly in the “too close to call” territory of a border poll with Brexit muddying the waters.

        In addition, Look at the North Down Brexit referendum result, those are the Unionists that will flip to UI/EU over hard Brexit.

        Time for the south to start preparing because UI is coming, and right bloody fast.

  3. There is a theory out there that says Britain has “Independence Day Envy”. Simply put a lot of coutries have some or other Independence Holiday, and a significant portion are in fact celebrating their independence from Britain. (Although many countries also have independence Holidays from Spain, Russia, Ottoman Empire you name it. Even the casting off, of a dictator is occasionally celebrated like an Independence Day.)

    Of course, there IS another option if they really wanted a cause for a Holiday. They could abolish The Monarchy, and then it would be “Republic Day”. However the majority of Brits don’t actually want to do that. Last I saw the percentage of Republicans in Britain runs around 25%-although some people think that number may grow quite a bit once Prince Charles is crowned King.

    Despite them wearing MAGA hats and some Trump supporters liking Brexit, I don’t believe that either case involves much understanding. I don’t believe most pro-Brexit Trump supporters understand the EU at all. Half of them just heard a few Brexit buzzwords and decided it was a good idea.

    And I don’t think your average Brexiteer understands Presidential Republics in general, The US Constitution, US politics, and other reasons why Trump is so disruptive. Even very well informed Britons seem to find the trias politica confusing and don’t realize that in some ways their PM has more power than a President does.

    • It is sort of interesting to me that The Irish Republic actually chose the Easter Rising as the basis for Independence Day, given two factors:

      1) There were other touchstones in The War of Independence that could have just as well been chosen.

      2) The logistics of having Independence Day on Easter in a super-majority Catholic Country. It’s a bit like how kids will complain if their birthday is on Christmas especially, but also Easter, Halloween, or any other major Holiday.

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