Following a number of media appearances over the weekend I think I may have been overgenerous in my interpretation of some recent statements by Jeremy Hunt, the United Kingdom’s Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, and his appreciation of the need for careful language and opinions in the badly strained relations between Ireland and the UK. Far from indicating signs of political maturity, it seems that the minister’s call late last week for “both sides” in the Irish-British Troubles to be treated “in the same way” was less about about protecting the Good Friday Agreement from the excesses of Brexit-driven politics in London and more about pandering to the capital’s domestic press and its hyperbolic narrative suggesting that former members of the British Armed Forces were being subject to unfair treatment in the examination of historical war crimes from the thirty year conflict. Consequentially the obvious implication of his own words, that veteran volunteers of the Irish Republican Army and veteran soldiers of the British Army should be regarded in the same way in the wake of the regional and international peace accords signed in 1998, was more of a rhetorical accident than a deliberate policy change.
Predictably Jeremy Hunt’s spokespeople hurriedly retreated from the implicit logic of the MP’s statement as his Conservative Party colleagues turned on him and right-wing newspapers went into outrage mode with a number of leading commentators calling for his resignation. These included the UK special forces’ veteran Robin Horsfall who claimed that the IRA was responsible for “murdering more than 6000 members of the security services” during the course of the Troubles. Which doubles the total number of 3600 military and civilian fatalities recorded in the entire conflict, including the 1100 civilians killed by the British Forces and their allies in the loyalist terror gangs. Incredibly not a single publication or media organisation in Britain corrected this entirely false figure despite the publicity given to it in the press, on television, radio and online.
Following the above controversy Jeremy Hunt seems to have largely abandoned his previous reputation as a levelheaded pro-Remain politician in a now single-minded pursuit of the leadership of the Conservative Party, chasing after the favoured contender, Boris Johnson. The government minister has begun to brandish his unionist credentials, posing as a defender of the United Kingdom and its territorial integrity in the face of supposed expansionist ambitions from Ireland and the European Union abroad and separatist machinations at home. This includes the English MP’s claim on the BBC that:
“I have Welsh blood in me, Irish blood in me, I spend a couple of very happy years of my childhood in Scotland. I am a unionist to my fingertips, and I will never allow our union to be broken up.”
Hunt’s deliberate conflation of being Irish with being British, and by implication the sense that Ireland is still a subject member of the British “union” of England, Wales and Scotland, is fascinating and indicates that far from being nuanced in his thinking when it comes to this island he is very much a Tory in the Greater England mode. A mode which seems to view the existence of an independent and sovereign nation-state of Ireland as little more than a polite fiction that London should best ignore. Or bring to heel.
AN SIONNACH FIONN 
Why wouldn’t Hunt equate Irish blood with being British there are more Irish people in the UK than there are in the entire island of Ireland.
In addition I and even more millions like me am as Irish as I am English. The truth is if Anglo Irish people chose to they could out vote every political party in Ireland including Sinn Fein IRA in any and every election held on the island of Ireland.
The truth is always the truth
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There are people of Irish origin in just about any country that taken significant immigration from Europe. Most people here know this applies to the whole English speaking world, but it’s more common in Spanish speaking countries than a lot of people realize. The Bernardo O’Higgins the “De Valera/Washington” of Chile was the son of an Irishman.
By the same reasoning you can give everyone in a former British colony of any kind, the right to vote in UK elections.
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True, very true. wherever the British lead the Irish always have and probably always will follow like sheep, then they always have and probably always will blame the English and carry on murdering them and the indigenous population of wherever they settle. The Irish must be close to topping the illegal immigrant list in every western country and most if not all of the rest. One day it may dawn on the Irish that in spite of Patrick they do not have a God given right to go where they please. Really until you live here its surprising how most of the Irish cant wait to get out of Ireland. One day I’m going to do some research and find out how many priests accused of child physical and sexual abuse all over the world are of Irish descent. What do you think the answer will be all or just most.
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How’s your reading comprehension pal? I pointed out that many countries with Irish are part of the Spanish speaking world. I believe the top Anglophone country for Irish immigrants was created out of the first successful War of Independence against Britain so there’s that too.
This “God given right” wasn’t so much a legal right, as how can I say this…..a consequence of British policy.
As for pedophile priests of Irish origins. Be careful, it seems there’s an expose brewing in Britain’s so-called “public schools”-Why do you call expensive school in the private sector public? You refer to NHS hospitals as “public” do you not?
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I am not your pal. I believe the top Anglophone country for Irish immigrants was created out of the offer of free land to those who settled there. The Irish never miss a freebie
I have no doubt there are as many pervert priests, vicars and teachers in the UK as there are in Ireland the difference is not state or public its the overall population of both countries.
I don’t know why the UK calls private sector schools public if I had to take a flying leap at a guess I would say its probably because public schools predate state education and the label has stuck. Irrelevant really since everyone knows the difference
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“Anglo Irish people”…beloved term of old West Brits who you to live in Ireland and old Majors living in Rathmines and Rathgar and died out by the 1980;s , hated the idea of an free Ireland and dreamed for the old Empire and England. You have no right to vote here so what are you on about.
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Is it? I wouldn’t know All I can tell you is I moved to Ireland in 2010 and it was an Irish person in Ireland who called me Anglo Irish. I didn’t mind then I still don’t mind.
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There are over six million people on the island of Ireland, so the claim that there are more than six million Irish citizens in the UK is rather fantastical.
There a millions of British people with Irish parentage or ancestry who are perfectly entitled to feel Irish or in some cases claim Irish citizenship. But if you look at the context of Hunt’s words, he was claiming some sort of shared sense of Britishness (or “UKness” if you prefer) which includes the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish.
While familial and historical links obviously exist between both island nations, and should be celebrated, there is a strong implication in all this unionist rhetoric which repeatedly assumes a continuity of nationality between Irishness and Britishness when for most of us no such a link exists. At least, on this side of the Irish Sea.
That is the nub of the Backstop Protocol issue. A puzzlement and bafflement in the UK that Ireland is not, in fact, a “home rule” appendage of the UK and does not act as such. It’s almost as if the last century of Irish and British history never happened for the average Westminster politico and we are still in 1919.
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Ah, so what you’re saying is the Irish who go to the UK stop being Irish when they refuse to go home. An attitude that doesn’t make sense particularly when you apply it to Sinn Fein IRAs attitude to those of Irish descent in America where not only do Sinn Fein IRA congregate regularly armed with fiddles and big black sacks for the loot they collect they also demand every Irish American be given the right to vote in Irish elections Bread buttered on both sides springs to mind. So does typical Irish hypocrisy
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Only in fact we aren’t in 1919. Not only is the Irish Republic an internationally recognized country, so is The Good Friday Agreement.
There is a theory about an English mentality that actually predated The Empire rather than resulted from it.
One theory is that The English simply aren’t good at dealing with land borders and this shapes a mentality where other “lines in the sand” such as significant judicial power (such as EU courts or fear of their own increasing in power if they adopt a written constitution) or old Vatican rules-such as unwillingness to “make an exception to an exception”, where they wouldn’t annul Henry VIII’s marriage because he needed a dispensation to marry her in the first place.
Think of it Elizabeth I’s Naval Forces vs The Spanish Armada. “Britannia Rules The Waves” could be better interpreted as a nation’s island self-image as being divided from the rest of the world by water not by any arbitrary decisions drawn over the land. Most of the “favorite” colonies were either Islands too, lands with theoretically expandable borders and/or significant geographic features dividing the colonies from territories of rivals (such as the Himalayas dividing India from Russia and China). Colonies with contentious borders such as Sudan and South Africa always inspired more worry and more fiction of them as “problematic”.
Of course, France and Portugal also had colonies in India as did Netherlands and even Denmark for a while-and those who divided by large geographic features. The easiest way to stop Ireland from creating a dreaded land border would have been to have never partitioned it. Most people as we can see easily ignore such details.
Other manifestations of this include the willingness to cull cattle on mass with “Foot and Mouth Disease” (which doesn’t harm humans), but reject the vaccine for Foot and Mouth on the grounds that a vaccine “accepts it’s here to stay”. Or British public health ads that if rabies ever finds it way back they’d have to cull everything (stray cats and dogs, foxes, etc) while rejecting both bait and vet administered vaccines.
As for the rules thing. I actually know a Liverpudlian with Irish and English roots. He says the worst fear in England of a written Constitution is that it would “give judges too much power”. To him the idea is scary even when the judges “did the right thing”. Despite a lifelong fascination with North and South America. He also got massive culture shock when I told him my brother and his wife adopted a puppy who was quarantined during a rabies epidemic-even though she’s a gorgeous and sweet dog!!!😜
While The Brits have confused me more and more since Brexit. I have to say the “no land borders and no ‘line in the sand’ rules” theory seems to put together a lot of facts about that country in a straightforward way.
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Hunt was the guy who said the EU was like the USSR, glad to see our President going to Germany this week to forge stronger trade and culture links , out of this Brexit insanity , Ireland has greater opportunities than this dependence on the English economy and their whims and insulting ways.
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Good for you Ireland has always been Nazi
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Troll alert the cancer must have spread from the Daily Express, do not feed the Troll
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So you moved to Ireland because we are Nazis? you are a very confused
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Not at all I had only ever seen the Irish in the UK and on holiday to Ireland If you want to know the beast live with it for ten years you will discover as all intelligent and empathetic people do that Ireland is full of hatred, jealousy and the kind of juvenile greed that puts one price for goods on labels and shelves and another very different price on the cash registers
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Hunt and Boris are just 2 faces of the same arse, Ireland survived the Economic war 1932-1937 as well as the shameful blockade of medicines to Ireland in WW2 by the English, the result was that UCD started the Bio tech industry that is world leading
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What economic war of 1932 – 1937. You, you clown are talking about the great depression and being Irish claiming it was all done by the English to hurt Ireland. As for the blockade if it happened at all it was during WW2 when the Irish were Nazis and the UK was forced to introduce rationing, provide as much defensive support at possible to the merchant navy and ban all Irish people from moving to the UK,
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Some advice, stay off the glue.
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Speaking from experience Seamus? The only addiction I have is to smoking nicotine , but you are right the Irish too easily become addicted its probably something in our DNA
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What DO you mean by that? Sniffing glue? Or is that more like “punching the Tar Baby” sort of metaphor?
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Blood is blood, it has no nationality.
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Hey Chum, here you are Anglo- Irish Trade war, might be to hard for you to read and understand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish_Trade_War, hope you get the help you need as you are a sad person
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And here for you is another snippet from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression and no the British were not immune from the effects but sure just as the Irish never equate WW1, the battle of the Somme or the huge losses the allies suffered in 1916 with their shenanigans so they never equate anything that happened during the 1930s depression with anything to do with Ireland and particularly with the British. Sad? I’m not sad I’m disgusted
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Telling to see someone making massive generalisations about both the Irish and the English (and or British) – and I can’t be the only person reading these comments with a foot on both islands.
But then there’s the sheer lack of historical understanding. Ban Irish people moving to the UK? This is ridiculous. Irish men served in the British forces (at Holyhead there were sheds with civilian clothes in them for those returning so they wouldn’t be in British uniform arriving at DL). Irish labourers worked on the land and in cities across the UK during the period. And far from being ‘Nazi’ Éire as was at the time, had high level of cooperation with British intelligence. LOPs around Ireland provided a degree of intelligence on Nazi sea and air movements. An air corridor was established across sovereign Irish territory (the Donegal Corridor) to allow flights to the North. UK and US aircrews tended most of the time to be delivered to the border unlike German aircrews (and the same was true of the aircraft where salvageable). Radio Eireann frequencies were altered at the British request in order to prevent them being used as direction finders. Some of this was calculated – the Irish government was deeply concerned about both German and British invasions early in the conflict (after all Iceland was invaded by the allies precisely to pre-empt a Nazi incursion) but the relationships between these islands were also a huge factor and a considerable sympathy between them despite all that had happened earlier in the century.
Wiki has some of this, though nothing really that gets to grips with the depth of contacts between Dublin and London. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality_during_World_War_II
“In this regard Viscount Cranborne acknowledged at the war’s end that the Irish Government had ‘…been willing to accord us any facilities which would not be regarded as overtly prejudicing their attitude to neutrality’, collaborating with the British war cabinet.[40] (See below for complete text.) The pattern of co-operation between British and Irish agencies began upon the onset of war when de Valera permitted the use of specified Irish airspace mainly for patrolling coastal points. The use of the “Donegal Corridor”, the narrow strip of Irish territory between County Fermanagh and the sea, was significant. By the autumn of 1941 use of the corridor was a daily routine.[41] While de Valera rejected British appeals to use Irish ports and harbour facilities directly, de Valera was, according to M.E. Collins, ‘more friendly than strict neutrality should have allowed.'[42] The co-operation that emerged allowed for meetings to take place to consider events after German troops had overrun neutral Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium. Three days after the fall of France, Irish and British defence officials met to discuss how British troops could, strictly at de Valera’s invitation, occupy Ireland upon the event of a German landing there to expel foreign troops attempting to use her as a back door to later invade Britain (Plan “W”). The meetings continued, as Cranborne described, throughout the war, facilitating further dialogue.”
None of this is secret, any good history of Irish military intelligence has this stuff, or if one is particularly interested there’s a good thesis on Col. Dan Bryan who headed up G2 available online (or was at least until recently) that covers much of this territory. There are arguments to be made about all this – was it the correct posture for the new Irish state, was it too compliant to the British, or perhaps not compliant enough. Did the broader context of the war require a different posture ie the fight against fascism? My personal view is they got it about right given the history. And perhaps as importantly given the military aspect of this. There was no chance that British forces would be acceptable after the WOI and Civil War on Irish soil. It was a non-starter (short of a German invasion). And all this too in the context of the reality of British forces in the North of Ireland too and continuing partition, etc. And the British weren’t willing to give any significant arms to the Irish state to defend itself or its airspace. Nor in truth could they spare them given their own perilous situation. So better all round to have a broadly friendly neighbour to the immediate west that could provide a sort of neutral buffer and in its own way a defence zone there. As to the broader conflict, few emerge entirely well from it. The US only entered after its own territory was attacked, etc, etc. Whether a state as impoverished as Éire could have done more than it actually did seems to me to be implausible.
But the stuff on this thread from you Piippakin just underscores an incredible laziness, prejudice and incuriosity about this all.
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I gave up reading anything written by the Irish when I read in one famous Irish historians tome that the streets of Dublin and Monaghan were running with blood. He must have thought the people in Belfast, Birmingham, LondonDerry, London etc didn’t bleed. The Irish were Nazi and had to be banned from Britain because the IRA tried to show off to their Nazi masters by bombing the British. the Irish govt did rob Irish people who fought for the British which is one reason why getting out of uniform before going back to Ireland was necessary, another reason of course was the violence inflicted by the Irish on anyone in a British military uniform. I am the only one who has read this rubbish and responded positively for the British and that tells everyone all they need to know.
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You see, that’s not a serious response ‘The Irish were Nazi and had to be banned from Britain because the IRA tried to show off to their Nazi masters by bombing the British. the Irish govt did rob Irish people who fought for the British which is one reason why getting out of uniform before going back to Ireland was necessary, another reason of course was the violence inflicted by the Irish on anyone in a British military uniform’
Outright lies followed by misinterpretation and so on. And totally contradictory. The Irish were banned but then you say that Irish people moved back (and forth or perhaps you didn’t know that the servicemen and women returned to the UK after leave etc?).
Do you think that Irish Army members wandering about the UK isn that period in uniform except in exceptional circumstances (diplomatic etc) wouldn’t have been arrested for wearing non-UK uniforms. There’s nothing about violence in this, it’s just how sovereign states function.
Followed by nonsense…
” I am the only one who has read this rubbish and responded positively for the British and that tells everyone all they need to know.”
Lazy stuff pippakin.
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Yon Pippakin is our resident troll. All comments should be taken with a large pinch of salt. I doubt that he believes even half the stuff he writes.
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🙂 surely in fact it’s not the first time pippakin and I have engaged here and there’s been no improvement on their part. 😦
I mean they’re not even trying. I imagine a random association sentence generator which is set at all times to Irish = Nazi/evil/greedy/etc and then builds seeming sentences around that.
Isn’t it amazing how stuff that if we were in a pub or a public place or a house would seem near enoughsociopathic is just same old same old online?
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IF a troll is someone who occasionally turns up on an IRA supporting site and infuriates the members by daring to tell the truth then you’re right, that’s me but I only turn up when the actual post is a blatant lie and the sheep do nothing more controversial than nod obediently.
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Except your currency is falsehoods too – so ask yourself if you’ve a point to make how can you get it across but of course you can’t because the very thing you accuse others of is something you’re steeped in yourself.
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My currency is the Euro and no one regrets that more than me but I do agree the Euro is nothing more than a fake currency and those forced into accepting it will live to regret it. Now, I’ve made my point about this racist anti British post and I’m becoming bored with it.
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But if all that is true, why bother? Have you not got better ways of exercising your time? Personally I quite like a bit of gardening. And watching gardening shows. Though I thought this year’s Chelsea Garden Show was rather mediocre.
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I don’t like gardening shows they bore me. I do like walking in what once was going to be my garden and not surprisingly I walk in the garden quite a lot. It is becoming overgrown my fault I’m afraid I like daisies, buttercups and most wild flowers. I think I may need to get another gardener chap but I’m reluctant to have anything cut down that I and bees like.
Unlike some I dislike intensely the idea that I should hurt anything that A) does no harm to me and B) wild creatures need to survive
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Well there you. Wild gardens are the in-thing and I have part of my back garden given over to it. And I will probably let the rest go to wild flowers for next summer. So we can agree on something!
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I wish this site had a ‘like’ button. I do like the idea we have something however wild in common
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That’s two things we can agree on – a like button and wild flowers and areas – in Fairview Park there’s an area that has been unlike the rest of it go wild, the grass is uncut, it is below a knot of trees and it looks like proper woodland in the countryside – it’s not very large but it’s my favorite spot in the park. I hope they leave it as is.
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How exactly does one “watch” a garden show versus attend one? I’m gathering that a Garden Show like Chelsea is somewhat equivalent to a “Gardening Exposition” (these in the US tend to be rather technical if you live in a desert area and/or where environmentalism/native plants are a big thing), and the horticultural sections of a “State Fair” or “Local Fair”.
I’ve literally never seen any kind of gardening show on TV if that’s what you meant. I have dabbled a bit in Native Plants especially when I lived in a High Desert area.
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Really? I would have thought that gardening shows would be as common on US TV as Irish and British TV? Here’s a typical British show…
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Unfortunately, the link you sent me was block-as are the majority on your sight-in the US. I did take a look at some other links to British garden shows, and by really scouring the internet managed to find one or two such shows in North America…..I’m getting a sense it’s comparatively rare here.
Having traveled in Britain, Ireland, and Europe I’d say the whole culture surrounding gardening is rather different. For one we have to contend with a wider variety of and more extreme climates. Even the word “garden” has a more specific definition in US English. There are profound regional differences in the plants that are appropriate let alone “green”, as well as the common techniques and methods.
These days perennial grasses native grasses are just the hottest thing. Heavily bred or hybridized drought resistant grass (that will just go dormant but not die during dry season if given little or no extra water-usually created by the USDA) increasingly considered fine for the area where children pay and dogs goof around and for sports fields or golf courses. However most of these native perennial grow at least 2ft tall and some can get up to 5-6ft, so you have to place them like a shrub or even trees. These are various species of bluegrass, fescue, hesperaloe, fountain grass, muhly grass that are appropriate to different areas. Green roof of the type popular in Europe are actually catching on in the desert Southwest (and people are trying to intergrate them with solar panels). The benefit are if anything more critical than in European climates, but it’s also hard to do without a lot of “extra” water. A plant that does fine in The Desert may have trouble surviving on an rooftop near asphalt. There are a lot of tough balances between mitigating heat islands and avoiding too much water consumption.
Other events besides “gardening expos”, horticulture portions of various fairs, would be that various cities towns, and regions have at least one annual festival in honor of a particular fruit or sometimes vegetable that’s a big deal in the area.
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Ooops, sorry about that. Here’s a couple of examples with my VPN set for a US location. Hopefully they will work!
The Brits are big into domestic gardening and the UK channels do lots of shows about it. Irish TV with its much, much smaller budgets doesn’t do that much, though it’s an equally as popular pastime here, and very little Irish TV goes up on YouTube.
Yes, Americans in general tend to have a different interpretation of “garden” or “gardening” though I think some north-east regions are kinda closer to the European concept of it. At least that has been my experience.
It has been a hobby of mine for years. In between computers and cars. I find it incredibly restful. Well, the upkeep aside, maybe. It always amuses my friends that I have this surface rock an’ roll or geek-chic image which never quite matches up to the me that people get to know. I mean, I love my hanging baskets. No wonder I have driven my exes demented! 😀
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To my eyes, (and I’m sure my Mexican friends would be even more snarky!!!) the British gardening show looked very, very sensual compared to any instruction I’ve ever had in caring for plants- It also looked a bit soft to my eyes!!! When that Englishman talked about a particular part of his garden as “dry shade” I literally started laughing.
My guess is that a very large chunk of the difference comes down to different climates and conditions. Britain and Ireland are both lands with a lot of rain and relatively mild temperatures. Although I have lived in Seattle and Oregon (climates much like England or Ireland), -even there gardening is packaged as a much more “technical” endeavor- most of my life has been in “semi-arid”, “high desert” or “hot desert” regions. It’s hard to explain desert gardening to an Irishman who has no real experience with it. It’s not as bleak as you might assume, as there are many beautiful trees, tall grasses (some going up to 6ft), shrubs, crawling vines, flowers, and more that are native to the area and can survive on rainfall (although urban heat islands demand you think carefully about the microclimate, use techniques to retain water in soil, and you may still have to water them a little when temperatures are 115F or higher and it hasn’t rained in months). Even cactuses have flowers that bloom in the winter!! Often in part of the US Southwest and Northern Mexico plants are as much picked for the smell they create after the rainfall as their appearance.
Another thing is that arboriculture simply commands a lot more respect in North America than “gardening”. Trees are rightly seen as more demanding and impressive. If gardening shows per se are uncommon shows featuring a “Tree Doctor” are fairly standard on local public television and radio and have been for decades.
The thing is where I am trees are seen as important for shade and mitigating heat islands, but water consumption and not putting a tree in a place that sets it up to die are always a major issue.
This is sort of the #1 clearinghouse on arboriculture info, and a notable political advocacy group for trees.
https://www.arborday.org/
They routinely do “public service ads” on television, and many towns and cities hold an annual Arbor Day Parade in April.
While US culture around caring for plants is much different from Europe, it is not without its own strengths.
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Grace you are comparing chalk and cheese most British gardens are tiny and although the British do plant some trees careful thought needs to go into things like the foundation of a house and pipes of every description leading to/from them since the roots of many trees are huge and almost all of them can and do damage the foundation of houses and the pipes and cables. Someone I knew years ago had problems with his house caused he was told by the trees planted decades ago in the street outside. Shade maybe a problem sometimes but not often and not for long. In addition most trees take years to reach full growth and beauty its a long, long wait.
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If it hasn’t dawned on a body that Johnson and Hunt are but mere puppets for the suits behind the scenes then I despair. A trained monkey could be a prime minister such is their role in the UK. The sooner the peasants stop taking them seriously the better off we will all be.
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True but the British are becoming angry.
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They’ll become even more angry then when they realise farage and the brexit party are leading the peasants in the wrong direction I.e if Farage wanted to pressure the Brit state to honour brexit then he should have called upon the public not to partake in any more elections and withdraw their consent to be governed by Westminster. Not only does he not do that but he encourages them to vote in an EU election. Why take part in a game you don’t agree with? If you analyse the figures from that election and then deduct the brexit party voters from it, it would have shown a remarkably low turnout(it was already low with them in it). Farage then could’ve justifiably claimed that the public are boycotting the State’s game and that’s not something Westminster wants at all.
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I don’t think the British will be surprised if every MP turns out to be Remain liars that’s not the point both Johnson and Hunt are campaigning for the Tory leadership as tho the next stop is a general election and if the new leader does a ‘deal’ with the EU that will probably be the case.
I don’t see the point in not voting in fact I think far from emphasizing the Brexit case it would diminish it to nothing which would please the Irish and the rest of the EU but would infuriate the British There is nothing the UK govt want more than for the British to ‘boycott the states game’ It aint gonna happen the numbers in favour of Brexit have grown not shrunk.
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I beg to differ. At the end of the day if Westminster (Brit establishment) don’t honour a vote(brexit) then why should the public believe they’ll honour any other poll result they don’t like? That would be the point of not voting. The brexit party by partaking in the EU poll, gave ammunition to the remainers to push the narrative such as “the country is split down the middle” etc and thus allow them to stall on brexit yet again. Be in no doubt the State would be deeply concerned if the majority of citizens were turning their back on the ‘game’ as it could be argued that the State has no authority over the public. I.e the public do not consent to be governed by them.
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Nice try but wrong. The reason The Brexit Party did so well is because people voted either you believe in democracy or you don’t. Brexit did better than UKIP because Farage has always been against the EU and might refuse to do any ‘deals’ with the EU. UK politicians jobs are in jeopardy I think the UK is edging closer to civil war than at any time since 1642
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Nice try but wrong. Farage may have opposed the EU but by partaking in the recent poll he lends credence to it. Why legitimise something you oppose? Especially so when your opponents are against democracy when it doesn’t suit them. Btw, it appears most of the Brit public ignored the EU poll which reduces the impact that the brexit party’s participation may have had. For the record, I don’t think any of the MP’s in Westminster will be shooting each other any time soon as they are all there to stop brexit and that includes boris! The trick is to dupe the public into thinking they can’t get anymore of what they want hence the drawn out politics over brexit. Just saying.
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Why is everyone taking that Ruth Dudley Edwards clone seriously? They’re having a hearty troll-breakfast at yere expense.
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